Episode 5: Is Worldcoin the End of Bots? + Ripple vs Circle Showdown

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hey good afternoon this is JR founder and CEO of Social Market here with Leon

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CMO of Social Market and this is Social Ledger Report i’m pumped man lots of

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news this week too well I feel like I say that every week but this week feels

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like a lot of news dude there is always so much news in this space which is our

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job here to help you stay on top of it of course if you’re not on Twitter that

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is but you know we try to dissect it and give you the news that you that actually

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matters we also try to remove all of the noise that you know comes when you’re

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going through all the weekly news so this is why we’re here so with that said

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you know the first story that we want to talk about is Worldcoin came out and it

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made a lot of noise on crypto Twitter on the internet you name it but um have you

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heard of Worldcoin before Neon what do you have any thoughts with that yes so

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I’ve heard of WorldCoin it’s from Sam Ultimate same dude behind Chat GPT

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OpenAI i think they’re separate companies almost positive it’s a digital

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like ID system based on crypto when you scan your iris mainly in third world

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countries you would get crypto announced in the United States that’s that’s what

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I understand pretty much so here I’m going to share

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with you what appears to be Sam Alman on stage making the announcement and it

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actually partnered with Koshi which is a direct competitor to Poly Market that

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does prediction markets on chain koshi doesn’t do it on chain it does it with

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traditional finance with with US dollars here in the US which is as far as I know

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the only regulated one but all that to say that even though World Coin just

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released this week like it’s already making a lot of moves so if you guys can

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see my screen here this post is by historic bids quote Sam Alman’s World

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Coin launched in the US last night which is May 1st so it was what Wednesday when

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it launched this week and they’ve partnered with May 1st was yesterday

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yeah so so this is Friday and that’s May 2nd so literally Wednesday it launched

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and it already made a partnership with with

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Well yeah you know so so here okay so Kashi’s you Kashi’s using Worldcoin as

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their their base and Worldcoin’s based on is it an ECR

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worldcoin that I cannot tell you because I don’t

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know worldcoin as far as I know is a layer one or no it’s got to be a layer

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two if I’m not mistaken well that’s embarrassing i

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don’t remember but if anything I know that it is a it is a layer

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to Ethereum based crypto okay so it’s an ERC20 then that’s that makes sense yeah

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so so it being an ERC20 makes it so it’s part of the Ethereum ecosystem which

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means you can use it with unis swap you can use it on base you know all that

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sort of thing as long as it’s you know bridged in those networks but it being

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ERC20 is pretty big um so there’s another thing that I want to share with

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you as far as this story goes i think it’ll be best if I share my entire

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screen here again so it actually partnered up with dating

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apps so this guy said it’s finally an end to the bots on dating apps thanks to

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Worldcoin so I don’t think this is Sam Alman it kind of looks like him for a

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moment but I think you know how you mentioned how it scans our eye retinas

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to make unique accounts for everyone first of all I didn’t know retinas were

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unique in that sense like our thumbrints but I guess what it’s trying to do here

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is and it doesn’t go too much into detail but it’s trying to you know

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remove the bots from dating apps i think that’s also kind of big

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yeah that makes sense it’s a high It’s a high risk

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place and it’s also a lowrisk place where I think a lot of people probably

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do there there’s a lot more places online that want to validate your ID

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especially as like states are tackling like adult content websites more adult

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content websites need to have verification methods to make sure you’re

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18 make sure you’re 21 like this world ID might be coming at a time that’s

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actually really relevant there was kind of like that one platform it was called

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ID.me you uploaded your driver’s license and the IRS was going to use it but this

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seems way more safe it’s onchain like obviously

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you can manipulate it you know at the the point of you know upload

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but this is a you know again the dating apps are so low low stakes low risk for

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everybody that I feel like a lot of people will do it and the fact that the

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match group is there the match group controls like 90% of all like dating i

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think they own OkayCid Tinder Match like everything

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plenty of fish i think the only one they don’t own is Bumble i think Bumble is

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its own separate you know corporation i could be wrong but to your point yeah

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Worldcoin I would argue it well I I have mixed feelings i would I would trust

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Worldcoin more than I do ID me because you

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know I mean it’s first of all being on the blockchain makes it so it is already

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encrypted depending what the text stack is but anything that goes on the

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blockchain it’s automatically encrypted sure you can see where the transactions

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are moving in between you know wallets and everything to a degree but it’s

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still encrypted you there’s more level of anonymity against you know simply a

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database holding all of our you know social securityities driver licenses you

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name it so I would for that reason alone Worldcoin more than you know I

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I’ve got a startup idea man we should just

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put like a uh 23 and me on a blockchain dna you know encrypted secured kind of

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open in that sense but also not owned by a private company like

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our next startup yeah I mean that that’s honestly a good

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idea too because you know I think we are every every cycle and I say cycle

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because of like the Bitcoin cycles being a playing a big influence for what’s

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happening with you know crypto companies startups and just

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projects i think we’re at a point where we could start seeing you know storage

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based applications or use cases on blockchain so that would be an a good

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example for a startup if anyone out there wants to build that you know let

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us know we got 10% i think right 10% of what we need it immediately 10% of

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whoever builds it yeah yeah well that’s our bid so going back to So so here’s

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the other thing and this was actually a big controversial thing which again I

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have mixed feelings but you know it if it’s stored on the blockchain okay

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that’s where I’m not as concerned so again the world coin you know had a lot

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of controversy back in 2022 2021 because it was scanning people’s retinas so you

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know this article is from Cointelegraph the title says Sam Alman’s Ice Scanning

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crypto project uh world launches in US so we already know that I was reading

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this article and I’m not going to go through everything but just to kind of

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highlight what we were talking about previously matchmaking with verified ID

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the online dating giant matched group which owns Tinder and all those dating

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apps that we talked about we’ll also begin pilot program testing out our out

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world ID for its apps so you know it’s here in the here’s it’s here in the

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print and it’s you know I think this is one way

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they’re going to combat bots which you know uh it says here makes a lot of

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sense on that front and it also again like so many people probably are going

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to get verified on these apps that it just it makes sense like it was a good

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partnership in the end super it it it could even help with like uh

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identification for web 2 applications you know like if it could somehow

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replace ID.me then you know I would trust that even more so it it follows

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more with this world has established separate partnerships with prediction

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market startup Koshi and decentralized lending platform Morpho upman co-founded

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the project in 2019 when it was known as Worldcoin to create a global

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identification or identity ver verification system using the blockchain

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to combat fraud and bots it rebranded to world in 2024 and currently has 26

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million users globally with 12 million of them verified through orb scans so

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you might be thinking what are orb scans you know I don’t know if you live under

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a rock first but um I’m going to show you the process of what it’s like to you

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know go through this uh eye this orb scan with your retinas so hopefully it’s

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not too loud we went through this process so first of all the fact that

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you’re getting monetarily incentivized to scan your retinas is unique you don’t

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see this outside of web huge yeah and the other thing that I

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wanted to share is the price of worldcoin has pretty much been on on the

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down low which depends how you look at it i see this as an opportunity to start

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buying but then again you know what’s the like the one-year chart of it the

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oneyear chart it’s I was it was in an all-time high of about $6 almost pumped

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up a little bit and down May yeah and I mean right now not to get very political

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but you know tariffs and everything that’s been happening under Trump on the

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markets right now isn’t helping anything even Bitcoin so you know this isn’t

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surprising but if you’re bullish on Worldcoin you know when I first started

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reading this article stuff like this week I started getting more bullish on

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Worldcoin at first I was very quick to dismiss it because you know I wasn’t as

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attentive to what it was trying to do but after reading the story this week

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and just doing my research I’ve become more bullish now um as we all know the

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um well this was back in 2024 but its all-time high seems to be like about $11

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$12 mark depending on you can buy it on Kraken but I don’t know what other

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exchange you can buy it on the price might be a little bit more

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in the $12 mark so it’s right around that ballpark with that said you know

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not financial advice but I’m going to start buying some worldcoin after this i

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don’t know about you maybe maybe i do want to get my Irish scan though like

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where do I sign up that’s a good question so I did not look

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at that but I bet if we go to worldcoin you know do a simple Google

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search so I believe it’s world.org or you know get the world app you get the

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app and then you must according to that video go to somewhere where you can scan

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your retina in that physical device so for reference we we live in Texas

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so you know maybe you need to find some nearby location where they have that eye

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scanner maybe it’ll tell you more once you do you know go through the app

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process to download it so you know I’ll have to get back to you on that next

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week let you know how it goes i’m looking it up right now i don’t see

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anything in the United States there’s one in Austin

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austin has everything so if you live nearby Austin if you want to get some

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free world coin by scanning retinas then yeah it’s San Francisco Austin Los

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Angeles there’s another there’s actually one two three San Francisco’s one LA and

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one Austin okay that’s not bad we’re going to go to Austin i mean Austin for

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those of you who don’t live in in in Texas like us but Austin is like the

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crypto capital of Texas where they have companies like there’s there’s some

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presence there with Capital Factory some startups there have launched in Austin

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with their crypto presence there so oh yeah I’m not surprised

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okay that’s pretty much as far as we have to say as far as I have to talk

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about Worldcoin but uh we have more stories to go through anyways so yeah so

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the next big story it’s actually Ripple going into a bidding war almost well not

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a war but just going into a bidding back and forth with Circle it’s trying to buy

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Circle the the USDC provider stable coin so saw this post on Twitter and it talks

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about earlier this week ripple or XRP offered 4.5 or 4 to 5 billion to buy

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Circle USDC company but Circle rejected the bid as too low

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so when I first saw this I was thinking well this is this this is just

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typical capitalism company trying to buy a competitor to you know be the main

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player in the in the game and right now you know I don’t know if you know this

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Leon but right now XRP did launch not long ago their own stable coin it’s

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called it’s called the RLUSD so it’s remind

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Yeah so so if you look at u the pricing on coin market cap it’s right just right

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under a dollar you can buy it on Kraken and you can also trade it on unis swap

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unis swap you can trade almost anything if I’m being honest uh but you can even

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buy Kraken with XRP itself you can buy it with uh USDT or USDC so pretty widely

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available on on on Kraken i was kind of Did you see an update from um the his

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name Sid on Twitter no I don’t think I have here let me share my screen real

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quick yep by all means excuse me so so that’s pretty huge yeah so he said uh

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Circle’s profitable it’s on track for 50 million ARR by end of year and then they

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had a 100% annualized growth on 200k in free cash flow which is huge and um well

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their their like growth on that you know just like 2021 Forex 2022 started to it

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started to slow everyone started talking about it slowing but it’s it’s like

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growing substantially you know every time and then I was looking at that $4

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billion offer people were talking about like their IBIDA is about 300 million so

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they were talking four to five billion valuation for IPO

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So like wow that’s a you know like that’s roughly what they’re worth right

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now so it sounds like Ripple was trying to buy them at base value but as far as

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I know when you’re trying to buy a company where or or an entity you

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usually pay like five times their price because you’re looking at a 5-year

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growth return if I’m not mistaken you probably know about it more than I do

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but that’s what I’ve seen there there’s definitely a premium when it’s a

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publicly traded company you’re generally paying like pretty close to you know if

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if a shares $20 a share they may offer $30 a share which is a premium on it now

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when it’s a private company like it’s a toss up of like you know 5x revenue 5x

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you know profit like there might be something like that but what what did

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Ripple offer i think the first time was what four or five billion

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4225 billion which USDC said “Nah [ __ ] you that’s too low.” So Ripple’s like

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“All right bet.” Which is kind of breaking news because today Ripple came

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out like maybe just a couple hours ago by the time you’re going to hear this

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but Ripple came back saying “Hey you don’t you didn’t like 5 billion all

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right how’s how’s 20 billion?” So now they’re going at this back and forth

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bidding which you know there’s that premium

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which I wonder why they’re not just waiting till Ripple goes public and

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making an offer because then the board would have to like have to accept it

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unless unless they just think that that uh circle is going to go public and it’s

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going to like the stock’s going to skyrocket

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i I would bet in my life that Circle would skyrocket because right now the

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only crypto the only cryptobased stock that we have is Coinbase we’re going to

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start to see that again with we’re going to see that later with Kraken as well

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but Circle would be the third one whoever you know which whoever comes

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first either Kraken or or Circle so I think if it goes public it’s only going

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to become pricier because people are going to be able to buy the stock and

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that’s going to increase the valuation of of Circle so I think Ripple is doing

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it smart in that sense where they’re trying to get in a little bit earlier

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they probably should have gone a lot early if I’m not if I’m being honest but

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you know so So here’s what it says as far as this story this is from Cryp

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Cryptopolitan i don’t know if you that’s how you pronounce it but Cryptoolitan

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says Ripple is reported to have increased its offer to purchase circle

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the issuer of USDC from 5 billion to cover 20 billion and it says the higher

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valuation is now under active negotiation according to Bloomberg

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sources if confirmed the deal would shift the balance of power in the global

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stable coin market because right now circle is the dominant player with USDC

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and it’s also Coinbase back so Coinbase is probably the most you know biggest

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name in the crypto space so here it says Ripple’s move to acquire Circle would

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give it control of USDC the world’s second largest stable coin which I think

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USDT is the number one if I’m not mistaken the timing of the proposed deal

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comes as a circle is cautious after filing an IPO application in the US

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crypto lawyer Bill Morgan hinted that Ripple’s RLUSD token launch may be a

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precursor to his acquisition attempt rlusd is a compliant enterprise stable

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coin meant to be embedded into Ripple’s global payment system and lastly crypto

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influencer crypto described the movement as an aggressive market consolidation

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ripple buying circle is not for the financials she said citing a larger

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ambition to buy out circle’s infrastructure and limit and limit

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smaller rivals so it’s kind of like a power play based on this post from

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crypto airy and and there’s I wonder if the government would allow it then

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honestly if I’m being honest given the state of the current administration

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they’re probably going to allow it if they’re incentivized to I don’t know

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they have they have a Roth relationship with like tech companies like they do

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they’re still attacking Google they’re attacking Facebook like market

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consolidation might not be good but also they just might not be able to like def

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this true true i mean this is monopoly like 101 you know like Ripple monopoly

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that is it crush the smaller players exactly and

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and you know under capitalism you want to have a you know you know not to get

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political again but like under capitalism the idea is to you know have

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a free market where people can compete to create a better product for everyone

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and and I’m very much in line with that so I think the government should also do

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its job by you know preventing big players from eating out the smaller

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competition because there will be a stagnation from innovation you know and

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that’s not good for anyone except for Ripple in this case if they end up

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buying them so I’ll be honest I hope they don’t buy them that’s that’s my bet

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or that’s my hope but you know we’ll see what

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happens and right now there’s this other article from Forbes where it also

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acknowledges that this is a power move basically why Ripple’s 5 billion

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offer to circle was more than a power play you know they’re basically trying

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to control the market so that’s kind of like the TLDDR from this article which

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we’ll put the link in the in the bio as well if you want to look at it it’s

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about it I think i don’t know if I have any other I don’t know if you have any

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other thoughts on this story great we’ll see the outcome like I think that’s

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going to be the important part yeah this was probably the second biggest story

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you know we’ve been covering circles IPO for the last few weeks and if you want

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to look at it you can always look at the other videos in this channel but um you

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know we’ve been following this case closely and and you know unsurprising

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how how far circle has come why Ripple wants to buy it so

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okay we’ll see what happens talking government

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regulation there’s going to be some regulation specifically in the EU and

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the interesting part is just going to be how it has ramifications so the EU is

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talking about banning an well they’re not talking they’re going to ban

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anonymous cryptocurrencies and privacy tokens by 2021 i’ve got mixed thoughts

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on it so the the overall article on it is they’re using it uh as a

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anti-moneyaundering regulation where credit institutions financial

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institution and crypto like asset providers are prohibited from

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maintaining anonymous accounts or handling privacy preserving

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cryptocurrencies so it’s not saying like anybody couldn’t have it but they’re

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more or less saying like any you know large company is not allowed to hold it

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so I think like crypto exchanges wouldn’t be able to touch it you know

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any any sort of bank wouldn’t be able to touch it like it’s a it’s a big thing

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and the part that I’m kind of like caught up on is everybody was

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talking how crypto will make things more private there’s more privacy to it and

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then now everything’s really moving to like this kind of like public

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quasi private like you know transparent blockchain where you can see everything

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but also some things are you know they are hidden in some way yeah so for a

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long time and I’m looking for this one meme that I want to share with y’all

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just to kind of drive this point home i remember back in now mind you I’ve

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been in crypto since like maybe 2018ish but you know back then even like people

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were were were in Bitcoin were loving crypto as a whole because of the privacy

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you know sure you can still audit the blockchain you can still have a

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transactional history of where the movie has gone you can see where the whales

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are putting their money if and where money is being laundered like yeah it’s

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it’s open in that sense but it is still anonymous where you don’t know you know

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the IP address you don’t know you know who what person is tied behind that

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money moving around it’s all just encrypted you can see the the wallet you

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can see the transaction IDs you can see the wallet where it’s moving but you

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know that’s as far as it goes and and it’s still rigorous to to trace all that

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but you know it’s it’s still private in that sense i don’t I don’t like I don’t

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I don’t like that kind of regulation on the EU behalf that is in the EU so the

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US you know hopefully it doesn’t follow suit if if it were to happen in the US

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which I given given the track record of the lacks regulation in crypto we’ve had

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in this new administration i don’t think we would

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see that in the US happen anytime soon and if it were to happen you know right

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now you can buy Monero from Kraken it’s the only crypto exchange centralized

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exchange that lets you do that otherwise you can actually get Monero by mining

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doing CPU mining so if you’re mill Yeah you can you can always you’ve always

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been able to do that i don’t think they’re ever moving to proof of stake

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don’t quote me on that though but I know I know you can still mine Monero with

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CPUs which I don’t know how familiar you the audience are with GPU mining or

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crypto mining but for a long time you know you could mine Ethereum with a GPU

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i did it for a couple of years from 2020 to 2022 and I mined like over two ETH on

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on my GPU mining so I mean it it’s nice but for CPU it’s it’s a little bit more

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nuanced you know you need to have a different setup you need to you know

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much more different setup so my guess is if Monero decides to you know not be as

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easy to get then people are either going to one start mining with their CPUs or

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two they’re going to start you know kind of like in the old days with Bitcoin

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they would just go to people and be like “Hey I’ll trade you US dollars or

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Bitcoin or whatever so you can give me Monero.” So we’re gonna maybe see that

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yeah it it’s I think it’s just really sparking that debate over privacy versus

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security like these privacy coins are they’re they’re definitely used for

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legitimate purposes there’s also just like you know Signal or Telegram

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like there’s apps out there that are you know encrypted end to end that are meant

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to you know protect people like journalists use them we see that you

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know the federal government uses it for for very particular things there there

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could be reasons to you know have a have a way to funnel money without knowing

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you know who’s sending it or who’s receiving it so it’s just my thought is

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that the EU is kind of clamping down on these innovations a little too early and

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yep it’s going to risk you know what cryptocurrency looks like in in the EU

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you know just just like China and um I believe Russia too did the the GPU

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mining they they just said no more on the crypto and then I think they’ve kind

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of like backtracked a little bit but it it’s just not a great thing to kind of

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stop these these innovations and put these roadblocks to it i think there’s

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better ways to kind of prevent the crime from happening where it happens

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everywhere even in a cashbased society yeah I agree so you know the EU is great

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you know like if I eat food over there in the EU you know I feel a lot better

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than I eat the food here in the US so the EU is not that terrible but you know

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when it comes to I’ve noticed a pattern where innovation technology capitalism

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as a whole you know it’s very restricted over there so unsurprisingly a lot of

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the competition and investors move to the US for those reasons so one more

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thing I’ll share here and this is kind of what I was talking about earlier you

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know if I don’t know I don’t know how well first I don’t know how you as a

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viewer feel about Monero suddenly being more restricted than even other coins or

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even Bitcoin but I for one am not happy and I don’t think you’re happy about it

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either Leon but you know I think right now we are seeing a huge shift on what

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is more of a priority for people on crypto as it becomes more mainstream so

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I have this meme that kind of reflects how much Bitcoin narrative or crypto

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narrative has changed over the last few years so at least back in 2017 the

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crypto bros you know they they cared a lot about the utility they were like

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“Fuck the government and the banks decentralized peer-to-peer currency and

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mining you know this was the the trending topics

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and now it’s like meme coins banks and government please buy ETF please and

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regulation good yeah this is very true like this is to a to a te like utility

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coins decentralized P2P currency literally and then everybody is

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like you know we need to have the mass adoption of it it’s it’s also kind of

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just following what’s happening in government you know like the fact that

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government’s popping and big money is popping in too and when big money comes

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in that’s that’s the difference it’s good and bad you know nobody talks about

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NFTs anymore yeah i mean I I I still like NFTs my

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favorite NFTs are doodles like they had a partnership with with McDonald’s a

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couple years ago yeah like I actually don’t hold any of those but like I I

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would love to they’re just pricier but I digress an early deal oh nice nice nice

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so I mean we’ll see what happens i think there needs to be a fine line of balance

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between the mindset that we saw back in 2017 and what we’re seeing now where you

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know government big companies are adopting crypto which I think it’s good

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for everyone if you’re in crypto the total addressable market or the TAM as

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we like to call in the startup world you know it’s going to increase a whole lot

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just by old old markets you know normies adopting crypto it’s become it’s going

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to become more relevant and that alone is going to help everyone with the

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adoption you’re still going to have the niche crypto bros who are like “Oh but

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[ __ ] the governments they shouldn’t interfere you know I want to own my own

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money i want to you know be able to send money and

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in the most freedom way possible or whatever narrative that’s good still and

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and as long as they don’t change crypto because that’s what crypto already does

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they don’t make it so oh hey you know you need to I don’t know i mean KYC is

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good i understand KYC but if we need KYC for everything then that’s going to be a

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bit of a problem right now the way you avoid KYC is through decentralized

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exchanges self-custody wallets so while we still have those services and the

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government doesn’t to the government doesn’t decide to do overreach then I

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think we’ll be fine yes that’s exactly that’s where I’ll leave it at no I

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that’s that’s all the topics like man crypto is just flying partially the

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reason it’s flying is cuz you know that the Trump administration is really into

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crypto and then a lot of crypto like news and deregulations happening so I

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think I think the next four years are going to be like cryptoheavy it it feels

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like months and months have gone by so far but it’s only been 100 days since

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the change in deregulation of this yeah I agree so we’ll see what happens

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maybe next week we’ll have a follow-up i honestly I’m I’ll be honest i’m pretty

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sure we’re going to have a follow-up on Circle’s fiasco we’re we’ve been

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following it pretty close so we’ll keep you updated with that and we hear any

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