Episode 3: Empowering Girls with Carmen from The Madrina Project

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welcome to beyond giving your favorite non-profit podcast on the boost network

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i’m zach the nonprofit guy and today we have a super special episode with a good

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friend of mine carmen from the madrina project the madrina project is a local

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non-profit here to san antonio that really empowers young women and girls to

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achieve everything that they need to achieve and yeah so we’re super excited

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to have you carmen thanks for joining us today i’m so excited to be here and so

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excited that y’all are starting this new podcast i can’t wait to listen every

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tuesday definitely yep episodes every tuesday

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cool so can you tell us kind of a little bit about you i was so excited when we

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were going to have an episode featuring you and the madrina project because your

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story is just it’s so powerful right it’s something that people can really

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rally behind it’s inspiring it’s it’s something that when you think non-profit

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when you think people genuinely doing good in their communities you think oh

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carmen you think the madrina project so can you kind of tell us a little bit

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about your background and what kind of led you to this path of making impact in

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your communities and then kind of into the madrina project my name is carmen

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lydia and i serve as san antonio’s fairy godmother through the madrina project we

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provide new and gently used dresses for high school girls if they can’t find a

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dress or a ford address for their prom homecoming graduation we put together a

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boutique collection where we provide it for them at our annual empowerment

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conference and also we offer school boutique pop-ups where we bring the

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boutique to the schools always feel so happy to hear that people see the

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mission clearly in our organization but it really started out of i was 21 i was

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in college kind of eating ramen noodles and

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a cute boy invited me to a military ball and if you’ve ever been to a military

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ball you know that they’re gown events it’s not like you can show

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up in a cocktail or just something that you would wear at a graduation

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and i just felt like i was a little bit too old to be asking my parents my

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hard-working parents for a dress and so i was coaching little league soccer at

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that point and one of the ladies on my team said hey there’s this local woman

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who has a small prom closet out of her house let me see if she’ll help you she

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normally only does it for high school girls

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and i said okay that would be awesome a little reluctant

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because you know i felt bad that i needed the support but

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we went to her house she had one little coat closet that probably had 50 to 100

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dresses in there and she was able to give me this purple dress that i still

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to this day love but also when i see pictures i cringe a little bit

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and i got to go to the ball per se and that

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day when she was helping me she happened to tell me that the reason

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she started it was her three daughters were in high school

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she was helping her friends her daughter’s friends and that once the

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last one graduated they were gonna stop doing it

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and i thought well that sucks and so i said well do you mind if i take

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it over and i was very young and naive and didn’t know what i was getting

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myself into so i i said yeah let’s do it and so the first

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year we went to thomas jefferson high school and did it together she taught me

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how to meet the counselors the parent liaisons how to navigate getting into

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the school the background checks those things

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and i was

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just fell in love with that moment when girls put on a dress and you can

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see the giddiness you can see when it

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when it fits and so after that

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we kept trying to stay in the school model like go to the school

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but it felt very shamey to the girls like

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yeah i was wondering kind of what that looks like right because you have this

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really cool mission right where you’re providing these these dresses that may

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otherwise be unattainable to these girls right but then how do you like how do

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you address that oh i i feel shame because i needed help i needed like how

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are you turning that into wow i got to take part in the madrina project right i

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got to receive this dress like what does that look like for your schools yeah and

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in 2013 we kind of started realizing when i say we it’s like me and three

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other people nice

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we started realizing what are the things that changed our lives and for me it was

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learning about cafe college truly learning about the alamo colleges

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locally my faith my friends my family these core conversations that were

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starting to shape my life and so i thought okay

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we clearly have this problem where coming into a cafeteria or a teacher’s

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classroom has this shame feeling to it they’re having to leave

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their classroom and feel

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poor impoverished to some degree so that because they have to go into that room

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and so we started thinking okay how do we start a conference and at that point

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i didn’t even know how to host a conference or anything but i knew that’s

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what i thought in my heart to do and so i

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was started telling people and i met somebody who was able to connect me with

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a whole team of a non-profit and so we built the conference where not

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only do they get to go shopping at the end but it we call it learn to earn

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okay fun fabulous conference for them to come

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to for free and then we

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ask them to learn by participating in education leadership wellness and

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self-worth sessions we have giveaways we have food we have games all these things

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to try to give them the best day possible

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but by them investing their time they learned to earn the free shopping

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is this okay that we organically created so so it’s like it’s a free event that

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kind of brings people together and gives them a way to kind of earn this this new

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dress this uh that they might need so that kind of

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like eliminates that that shame because it’s not it’s not

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being given to me because i can’t afford it right i win i did this thing i

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learned about these different things at your empowerment conference and then i

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was able to get this beautiful dress that i can take to prom or the military

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ball or or wherever that goes absolutely and i think that was the key component

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for a while we stopped doing school pop-ups because we thought the

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conference was the answer but because transportation can be such a

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limitation for families in those same circumstances we decided post pandemic

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that we’ll keep the conference and the conference is now an incentive to be the

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first shoppers of our boutique so okay best dresses are the girls that come to

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the conference would have the advantage of getting those dresses

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but we

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are now trying to make more effort with making

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relationships with the districts and with the schools

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to pre-put dates on the calendar for us to bring

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the boutique to the campus okay so

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yeah we’re re-energizing the conference but also

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re-prioritizing the skull pop-ups that’s that’s cool too because like you

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said like transportation is is tough especially especially um in those

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circumstances so the fact that you’re you’re bringing that same kind of

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selection of dresses right to these schools so you’re kind of expanding

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accessibility to it you’re making it kind of a normal part of life that’s

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exciting that’s pretty cool um and so this empowerment conference like when

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does it happen what does what like specifically happens at this event is it

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like different classes different particular speakers like what what can

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we look forward to for the next empowerment conference for 2025 it’s

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actually two weeks away it’s february 22nd this year we’re hosting it at the

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girls inc building oh cool leia was so generous to offer us her space for the

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next two years to host the conference and so for the first hour of the

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conference we call it an empowerment fair

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it’s essentially resources that we’ve

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found in san antonio that high school girls would benefit from

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um cafe college is like one of my favorite

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that i i’m that’s a top priority for me for them to be there have a table for

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them to be able to give girls the address we make sure that through the

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programming they know where cafe college is because if you ask

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them they’re like oh well i’ve kind of seen it on the highway but i just

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thought it was a coffee shop yeah so what like what specifically is cafe

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college cafe college is actually a college resource center where you can

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get paired up with an advisor as early as i know specifically as early as your

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freshman year okay so you can start going there to learn about what

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scholarships you’re you’re especially fit for but then also

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what other academic goals you could set for

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your high school right if you’re trying to make yourself stand out for

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a university or for a program they might want you to volunteer specifically at

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like a humane society or at the food bank depending on what those dreams are

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for a student cafe college can help you start to think

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critically about how to build up your resume how to apply for those

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scholarships how to understand the resources the funding

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that you can start working on today

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for college in the future okay so it’s like a resource that kind of gives you a

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leg up on figuring out how you’re going to pay for college and like kind of

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figuring out how to position yourself for what you want to achieve that way

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yeah and for me it was so critical because i am a first generation

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college student and so for me my parents didn’t know how to do fasfa they didn’t

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know how to help me apply through the alamo

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colleges system there was just so many limitations from my family to help me

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and walk me through it i have friends who are like oh my mom went with me to

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meet with my advisor and advocated for me and i think that’s so beautiful but

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that’s not a parent that we all have not because

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our parents don’t want to be those advocates for us but because they might

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not have that model yet to provide it and so how do we

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help girls find those resources in san antonio because we are such a beautiful

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high resource city but a lot of times kids just don’t know where do i go for x

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y or z that’s true and like you don’t if you

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don’t know where to look or even sometimes what you’re looking for like

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it’s really hard to find those connections so so you really take you

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know just beyond the the dress right beyond that that particular that moment

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at prom or wherever you really help provide resources and when you talk

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about empowering these these young women and these girls it’s it’s really to set

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them up for what they’re trying to accomplish in life right so beyond just

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address beyond like resource connections it’s like the whole package kind of yes

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absolutely and so just to

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i got a little excited about cafe college but it’s the empowerment fair

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then we open up with we call it a musical welcome so it’s just like

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whatever fun girl music is popular at the time we have a friend that leads it

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then we have the education session the well uh the

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leadership the wellness and the self-worth session and our leadership

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session is actually now being led by the young women’s leadership academy oh cool

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so actually a session led by girls which is very exciting i started when i was

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young so it was fine when it was like my friends and my peers but now that i’m

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you know 35 i need to make sure that we’re still curating a conference it’s

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fit for a high school girl that’s going to engage them and so we’re really and

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then once the program part is over we share we open the boutique and so

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that’s been the catalyst to making it not feel

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like a sad handout more like an exciting

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handout because

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when we you know at palo alto they have an actual curtain that we we get to set

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up the boutique behind the stage oh cool we actually get to like do a countdown

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and raise up the thing also it’s like this huge unveiling and it’s like this

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really cool exciting thing that’s awesome day the dresses have kind of

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flirted with them because that we put the

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the um car uh not carpet curtain the wall carpet wall carpet we put it

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about eighty percent of the way so they see the bottom oh okay

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and then at the end of the day it kind of gets unveiled and so we’re right now

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we’re working out the logistics on how to do that at the girls inc building

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because it’s a beautiful building but we just don’t have that same stage capacity

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definitely and so but we’re still working to make that like wow element

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when we opened the conference uh boutique experience yeah definitely

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that’s pretty cool and so like as this has kind of evolved you know i know

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for example like when i go to a show or thing or whatever i have like a very

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short attention span right give me the 30 second tick talk summary and like i’m

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good to go how have you kind of evolved your the empowerment conference and the

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kind of services that you’re offering to really fit that that niche of of uh

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young girls right high school girls and um how have you kind of evolved and

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really tailored what you offer to them and what things have you learned well

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the first thing i say is we try to listen to girls what what do they want

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to talk about what do they want to listen to what are the questions they

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currently have and then finding speakers that not only can answer those questions

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but come from the same humble roots that they come from i think

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seeing a speaker from the beginning say

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with this list of accomplishments when they can start their conversation by

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saying hey 20 30 years ago i was in the same place you were i come from the same

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kind of family from the same economic background these these commonalities we

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create this unification between the speakers and the girls versus oh it’s

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just some grown-up talking to me and so i would say those are two of the main

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things that we do but practical practically speaking we

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give away epic prizes we give them a lot of good snacks

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snacks are important snacks are important so it’s all right lean back a

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little hard uh hot cheetos with cheese always

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slap and wait wait wait hot cheetos with cheese

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what kind of cheese are you putting on these hot cheetos

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is it like that nacho like or is it like it’s like it’s like on sal it’s on it’s

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across from like where brown coffee used to be the rio sir okay okay like the

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popular like ice cream truck cheese wait ice cream truck i have so many

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questions for you now carmen

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okay so okay we’re gonna have to we’re gonna

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have to come back to the hot cheetos and cheese at some point but uh okay so

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snacks so plenty of snacks giveaways and then we create social media challenges

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for them all day that they get to engage with at different points so throughout

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the day if they don’t have social media on the back of their lanyards there’s

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all their other challenges that they can do with the volunteers to continue to

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put their name in for the giveaways after every session so after every

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session we give them a little break go breathe go get a snack something and

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when they come back we make sure they get in their seats by doing a great

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giveaway before the next speaker comes up so they’ve just been rewarded and

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they’re like kind of more engaged because they’re like oh my gosh i want

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to be next and so i feel like but it i feel like

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that’s going to be an ongoing journey of learning

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that’s why not to put a plug but that’s why i’m so

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excited about working with nonprofit hq i think there’s so much opportunity for

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us as a team to learn more about the girls how do we understand

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where their needs are what something as simple as like what’s their favorite

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song what’s their favorite ice cream these are some things that i haven’t

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been able to navigate how to create a profile and so i think nonprofit hq is

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gonna open up a world of understanding one

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the girls we serve and two what their their real needs are i think it’s it’s

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fine to ask them a question but when you can

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see the data be consistent absolutely i think it’ll be i’m so excited to see

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what will happen with our org as we grow up and and grow into the nonprofit

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hq era yeah absolutely and um for those that

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don’t know nonprofits hq is like a unified management platform that is uh

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that’s my startup um that helps organizations like carmen’s really focus

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in and amplify their impact like manage overhead that sort of thing and so when

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you’re thinking about like these different tools and these different

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processes that you use um because like you said you started the madrina project

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or you kind of took it over when you were like young and naive you said right

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so like what are some of those like those those challenges or those places

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where maybe you stumbled and wanted to run or like what did that kind of look

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like as an experience and you were pretty young when you started this too

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right i don’t know if i’m allowed to ask how

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old you were i know i when i got the dress okay so the first time i gave away

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a dress i was 22 now i’m 35. and i i mean obviously when you’re young you

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think you know how what you’re doing of course guys how much you don’t know

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and i um

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meeting you was so exciting because i realized

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maybe i can teach the next young ceo the next new young founder how to use a

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platform like yours before you spend 10 years of your life

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working on something you love and don’t have a way to track the

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impact you’ve created the the sacrifices you’ve made there’s

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so much that i invested in i never

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there’s girls we i know we impacted but i i will never know how to tell their

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story and so i think that was um one of the biggest challenges i faced in that

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young leadership without a crm without that support was

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maintaining relationship with our girls and with our donors

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that’s true and like being able to tell that story is such an incredibly

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important part of what you’re doing too right because it helps you with like

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donors and grants and things of that nature right but it also helps kind of

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change that idea that getting a getting address getting these resources like

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this is an exciting thing that’s available to um two girls in is it just

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san antonio is it is it outside of san antonio yeah here they they can come

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yeah we had we had a school bus come from natalya in 2016 and i i remember

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being like i didn’t even know we could get a school bus it was one of

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the highlights of my life because it was just like 50

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girls coming out of a school bus and then 50 girls getting back on a school

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bus with a dress for their prom and their graduation a lot of them how so

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how did tell us kind of a little bit like let’s unpack that a little like

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dive into that where did this school bus come from how did they learn about what

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you were working on and then how did you like kind of facilitate that because

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that’s that’s pretty cool you know impacting your local community and

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starting there is an amazing step and then as you kind of expand bringing that

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that these opportunities and resources that you folks create to other people is

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kind of it’s exciting but kind of really hard to scale outside of your immediate

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area absolutely so i call like

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moments when i get to meet like someone like you someone like the lady melissa i

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call them these like god moments because it’s like how in the world did like you

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you moved here from like out of texas meeting me for a little san antonio you

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know hood girl like there’s just these moments where life there’s no way it’s a

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coincidence right and so i met melissa through they threw us this big party

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called the fancy frock as a dress drive there’s the fancy what let’s see frock

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uh frog f-r-o-c-k i believe okay okay

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who knows okay cool i’m gonna have to google that to know

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what that is but basically it’s like you bring your

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your clothing to donate okay and so i i met erica prosper

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probably in 2014 and we just kind of started meeting up for

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chalupas and seeing how we aligned in certain ways about empowering

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women and young women especially this is before she was first lady so i just kind

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of knew the heb research lady and

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her she was going to host a dress drive in her house like hey i’ll invite a few

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of my friends over and we’ll collect dresses

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well she told her lady village and her if anyone’s met her lady village they

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are next level when they choose to do something they

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kind of steroid they do it big yeah but anything that

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martha martinez gets her hands on is going to be excellent so she told martin

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martinez like hey i want to do this dress drive and martha just took it over

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and made it it was like the quinceanera i

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never had nice okay say quinceanera i never had

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for the people who will judge me for saying that in an english accent but

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we they hosted this event where they just

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invited all the women in their network to come eat charcuterie drink wine and

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bring a dress and make a donation if you could

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and so at that event i met melissa martinez who is now on our advisory

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board but at that point she was just apparent liaison at natalya isd okay

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okay so she she’s like yeah i would love to bring

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some girls in the moment and she’s like can you come to my school and promote it

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and we would love to encourage the girls to come never says anything about

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bringing a school bus so i’m obviously expecting a group of natal girls from

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natalya to show up but never in my life would i guess a whole school bus

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so when she wants to bring a couple of girls over she means 50 on a school bus

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nice and that just happened because the kind

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of community kind of rallied behind what you were doing to do this dress drive

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and that’s where that connection was made so like when you’re talking about

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community involvement because that’s incredibly important for non-profits

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right how has the community other than like this dress drive really supported

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what madrina project is and helped evolve it into what it is today so i

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like to say we had a very organic first 10 years because we

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never had the

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the donor structure we never had a crm we never

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honestly we didn’t even have google sheets for so long it was just like this

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person brings cupcakes this person brings

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you know the tacos for the volunteers in the morning it was very organic and

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when i met this group of ladies they started challenging me to ask

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how do we build partnerships not just small time donations

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and so through

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partnerships with other nonprofits we started having this model where we had a

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fiscal agent and they were like sasd foundation when i really

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needed a laptop the spurs donated to sasd foundation and then said foundation

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gifted us the laptops wow okay how to hold that

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dollar and so it was just a very collaborative time of

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people seeing what we were doing and they said i want to help do that and

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when they saw my limitations they figured out a way to make it work

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legitimately within the limitations they saw in this young 24 25 year old girl

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who’s still like eating ramen noodles in in college you know and so i think

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that’s one of the and i i haven’t done life in another place long enough to

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know if that’s very special to san antonio but i i would say i i believe

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it’s special to san antonio that we’re very collaborative it’s very family

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oriented even when you’re not from the same family

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when you’re gonna have a party you know someone brings the rice and someone

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brings the cupcakes and it’s just a very collaborative city no matter

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if it’s you know you’re helping someone raise money for cancer

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or it’s you know helping a girl go to prom definitely yeah san antonio like it

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is a larger city right most people don’t realize and i

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even after living here for like six months thought it was a really small

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area right and it’s not it’s like what is it the sixth or seventh largest city

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in the country or something crazy like that but it is that it’s that very like

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one of the largest small towns that that you’ll be in right everybody’s there

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it’s a culture of help helping collaboration um which is really cool

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and i think that’s why a lot of people a lot of change makers like

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yourself see success in san antonio right because of that kind of let’s help

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let’s collaborate let’s all make change culture and that’s super important

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because you know as you can attest to running running an organization by

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yourself without a lot of support is probably really dang hard right and so

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the community being able to kind of rally behind a cause and and really

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support that is what is the difference between an organization that’s doing

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good and struggling you know to to amplify that impact and to to make the

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change that they want and an organization that has the resources and

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the support and the connections and everything they need to be successful

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and to i don’t know launch an empowerment conference for

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example right so so that’s really cool um

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what are what does the future for the madrina project look like what is

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like what is the next big thing after your empowerment conference next month

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well it’s like the next big milestone that your organization will kind of

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evolve into that’s a great question so one of the

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programs that we’re really excited to really dive into is having a conference

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development day led by high school girls and they curate their own conference so

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through camp days there’s different girl camps

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that happen throughout the summer we’re gonna have one

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day that’s programmed of like let’s build

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your your perfect conference

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and so we’ll actually be workshopping with them all day like hey if you were

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going to lead an education session what would it look like would they be

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talking about scholarships would they be talking about okay how to get money for

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it or or how to build your resume so we’re

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we’re trying to build a collaborative workshop day where we

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truly get to hear from them what they want in the significant new

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empowerment conference annually so then so then your your attendees are

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are curating the content so you know that it’s very relevant to what they

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need that’s a really cool idea and that’s something that what are they

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called like unconferences or i forget the term but essentially the people that

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are attending determine what sessions are on the stage who’s speaking what

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they’re talking about and you actually have a lot more engagement and a lot

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more impactful actions or interactions with your attendees that way so that’s

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really cool what are some of the like unknowns in in making that happen like

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what do you as an organization need to make those days a reality

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definitely snacks that’s all snacks hot cheetos and cheese

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those are like core pillars of it but finding

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girl or partners that already have

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programming because i think building programming is

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such a financial time and team investment and madrina is nowhere near

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at the capacity to be able to host a week camp and

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have a com one specific conference day and so

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through building local partnerships like with girls inc

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and young women’s leadership academy and we hope to build more of those where

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they already have these high capacity amazing young women that

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are excellent leaders who are critical thinkers who are dreamers who

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are doers how do we find those places that are

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really doing those things with excellence

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and then giving them a conference day workshop where they can let their

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creativity truly thrive and hearing from them what

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are the things that they want to advocate for who are the friends at

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their school that they feel they see marginalized that they want to advocate

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for like i think they’re this is a very brave and courageous generation and we

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have to create room for them to

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use their voice and i think that’s building those partnerships locally with

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girl orgs is where we’re hoping to really make that a catalyst

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yeah that’s that makes sense and you know when you’re talking about making

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room for voices to be heard and i think that that really does it sounds like

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goes to like the core of of your your mission right uh these these girls they

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they exist they have what they need to be successful to accomplish what they

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want in life um and so i think that’s really cool it’ll be it’ll be cool to

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kind of follow along and see how that evolves and then and see what those look

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like so in terms of how people can get involved with the madrina project what

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are your current like immediate needs and then how can people in the community

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either volunteer or financially support or how can how can they connect

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absolutely so our website is the madridinaprojectsa.org

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and so on our website we have multiple ways that people can get connected

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volunteering is a wonderful opportunity because you get to come and enjoy the

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conference with them and see the experience because i think when you

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come to the conference you can really see

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the needs of our program and also the needs of the girl so it

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makes it gives you a very clear view of what the needs are but very practical

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needs is we always need gray velvet hangers that’s that’s like gray velvet

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hangers forever and always the velvet is what helps them keep

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stay hung and we just try to try to keep it oh so

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the dress doesn’t like slide off the okay interesting and is gray like just

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how they come or is that like is that a specific like

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color that elevates the dress or like is there science behind this gray velvet

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hanger because the white hangers get very dirty

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okay the black ones can bleed into the dress color

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and then we’re trying to not make everything pink so

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uh the gray is a very neutral color because we want the dress to stand out

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on it not the hanger itself and we’ve had hot pink ones and it’s like oh i’m

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just looking at hangers not really dresses but

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gray uh gray hangers are always they’re sold at target walmart

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some hebs have them you know you can order them on amazon and always we’re

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always looking for boutique partners that can serve as dress drop-off

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locations we have a partnership level if they decide to be a drop-off location

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for three six months nine months or 12 months that helps them get a partnership

31:25

level uh through the org and then also just monetary partnership levels we have

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that available on our website as well so if people want to start by giving on a

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small scale and see how we use that giving to bless and like

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support our girls then we can i mean but if somebody has you know a million

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dollars and they want to give a give us then you’ll definitely take a million

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dollars absolutely so much impact

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and you know through our through my twenties there was

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so much um i say selfless uh but it was almost self-sacrifice i

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realized now um you know i i love paying for the

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balloons and for the hot cheetos and all these things but the

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this past year we’ve had to sit down and look at what our conference costs what

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are programming what the pop-ups you know if i wasn’t swapping my

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personal debit card what would this be costing for us to run as an organization

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and that number was a little scary and so we’re working to

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by working with nonprofit hq and just building some stronger partner local

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partnerships we’re hoping to not be just this organic org but really become a

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non-profit that san antonio can support and we continue to do our

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our programs and resources for girls definitely yeah and like being able to

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like understand those costs it helps you become more financially sustainable as

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an organization but also it helps you understand what you should ask for right

32:56

you know if you need a sponsor to cover your conference and it costs this amount

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of dollars add a little buffer this is how much you ask for for that sponsor

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right so that’s that’s really cool awesome and i i if you don’t mind me

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sharing like i think as young non-profit leaders something that i wish i

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understood understood sooner was i’m an event planner so i’ve been donating my

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my services my talent for so many years and i i wish that i had just tracked it

33:21

more clearly like hey this week i invested 15

33:25

hours so just as if you know because it’s a non-profit podcast for anybody

33:30

who is in that startup phase take the notes you know really

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show the value of of how badly you are committed to it because

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then when you meet that donor that says well how many hours a week do you spend

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on this you have the tangible proof that this week i work 50 hours you know and

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so i think that’s something i wish i had understood sooner definitely yeah and

33:53

that also shows that you like it shows your level of commitment to your

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organization right especially if you’re asking for a large donation right they

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want to know that when they give you their this money that you’re you’re

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going to to do good with it right and you’re going to use it for your mission

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so that’s true and like a lot of a lot of

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startup non-profit leaders they don’t realize that their time and energy does

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have value and so they don’t think that that happens in the startup world on the

34:19

for-profit side as well too they don’t think to track that stuff because you

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don’t track zero it’s zero right but but absolutely yeah thank you so

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much are there any other things that you want to share about your organization

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about you um to our audience i would say join us on instagram at the madrina

34:36

project we that’s where we stay up to date on who our new partners are the

34:41

girls we’re serving and different ways to volunteer and get plugged in awesome

34:45

awesome cool and we’ll put the link to your website and instagram in the um

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description and distribute it across the network um thank you so much for joining

34:55

us this has been a really exciting conversation and you know being able to

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have conversations with change makers like this and really show the impact

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that people have in their communities especially local entrepreneurs here to

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san antonio is what this is all about thanks for joining in to the beyond

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